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Wednesday, 23 November 2011

Hands up who thinks Muehlenberg is a closeted self-loathing gay...?

...who just can't stand seeing other guys having fun and living their lives free from guilt and idiotic superstitions?

Muehlenberg claims gay people ought not exist.

In a recent article Real Acceptance? Bill Muehlenberg states the following:

Homosexuals like everyone else need to be loved. But they also need to be told the truth. Indeed, if you do not tell a sinner the truth about his condition, you do not really love him. And the most loving thing a Christian can tell a homosexual is that they do not have to be homosexual.

There are many thousands of homosexuals the world over who have left their lifestyle and have found new life in Christ. That is the good news that they desperately need to hear, not that they are born that way and must stay that way.


Bill is essentially saying that homosexuality is an "illness" that can be "cured" by belief in his brand of juju.

Does anyone find this anything other than genocidal, sinister, deluded and barking mad?

Is Ross going to defend Muehlenberg on this one?

Hitler had much the same idea. Round up all the gays and send them to the gas chambers, thus ridding the world of homosexuals and making it pure. Did it work for the Nazis? Why does Muehlenberg think such ideology should be embraced?

Thank goodness gay people are willing to live alongside the deluded worshippers of the Nazarene carpenter. With Skinner's edict that "we cannot both exist - one of us has to go" and Muehlenberg's idea that homosexuality must be wiped from the face of the earth (for entirely loving reasons, of course) there's nothing but hatred, violence, intolerance and bigotry coming from the fundie Xtians.

No wonder decent people are leaving churches in their droves. Not every juju worshipper is a malicious cunt like Muehlenberg.

One of us must go...

I tried posting again on Bill's website recently. As Richie Craze, I'm long since banned for speaking the truth, but I tried again as Dursley McLinden (which was the name of a very beautiful young British actor who sadly died of AIDS aged only 30).

I commented on Bill's article More MSM Activism after some bigoted old bint called Minge Fingers or something had posted saying that the sight of two men kissing made her want to vomit out her guts. I posted saying that it said more about her bigotry than about gay couples. Here was Bill's quick as a flash and typically ill-thought through response:




You'll note that I made a further post pointing out to Bill that as I don't find straight couples in the least nauseating then a tu quoque argument was fallacious. I also pointed out that most heterosexuals don't feel nauseous seeing gay people either.

Predictably, Bill didn't allow me to point out his stupidity and bigotry.

However, he allowed regular nutjob contributer David Skinner (whose email address, incidentally, is d.skinner@talktalk.net) to state, of gay people and straight Xtians, "We cannot both exist. One of us has to go."

Yeah, Skinner and Mewlenberg, Hitler had much the same idea. How are you planning the genocide of gay people (for the good of "the children", of course)?

I responded again:



If any of Bill's defenders such as Ross would care to point out quite how I overstepped the mark, other than telling the truth, and why those two comments should have been censored, please do let's hear the other side justify such censorship. Please let's hear the other side justify Skinner's call for violence against all gay people.

Ross?

Here's yet another posting "awaiting moderation":

Sunday, 20 November 2011

A Review of Bill's Book!

Here's my review of Bill's anti-gay book:

http://www.borders.com.au/book/strained-relations/25960956/


If you don't want to click on the link, here it is in full:

The author expected that when this book was released it would cause a sensation. The truth is, it has been completely ignored by all media. The reason is not that it’s too hot to handle, too controversial and too explosive; but simply that it’s a desperately poor book in every respect. It is poorly written, poorly researched and especially poorly argued.

The aims of the author (Bill Muehlenberg, who runs a fundamentalist Christian web blog) are encapsulated in the somewhat sinister sub-heading, “The Challenge Of Homosexuality”. The author sees homosexuality, and consequently gay people, as something that needs to be fought against rather than respected as human beings, and thus from the outset the book comes across as an off-puttingly angry, intolerant and disrespectful piece. His central thesis is that gay people ought not to exist as they should be forced to live a lie; and that all rights should be denied to gay people.

The problem Muehlenberg faces is trying to justify his fundamentalist and strident position (when all the evidence, that homosexuality is harmless and innate, and that gay people can make great parents) is providing any coherent argument whatsoever, and he repeatedly circles around the same old canards and shock tactics, especially the reprehensible suggestion he makes that homosexuality is the moral equivalent of paedophilia.

The fifth chapter wades especially into the territory of fantasy. It’s called “Once Homosexual, Always Homosexual?” and argues in favour of “ex-gay” “therapy”, the religiously-inspired “cure” for homosexuality that every responsible psychiatric association has condemned as cruel, needless, dangerous and ineffective. Muehlenberg ignores the inconvenient evidence that such “therapy” has never been known to work, and ignores the evidence that many thousands of victims of this “therapy” have been driven to serious mental health problems or even suicide through their guilt of failure. The book is more about what it doesn’t say than what it actually says in its 266 pages – and the overriding effect is that it reads as if the author is pushing propaganda for a radical activist cause in an attempt at social engineering rather than engaging honestly with his subject.

Muehlenberg strays further from the truth in chapters about same-sex marriage and adoption rights, arguing that such moves would bring about social anarchy and collapse. He ignores the fact that many Western countries have already adopted such liberal policies and the reverse of his predictions are true – it’s led to social harmony, which is why more and more countries are passing laws to allow equal rights to gay people. The “evidence” he puts forward to suggest homosexual couples oughtn’t to be allowed to adopt are especially flaky – but since every peer-reviewed scientific study (none of which is cited) has revealed that children have not been disadvantaged by being adopted by homosexual couples, a practice now common and socially accepted in much of the West, that is hardly surprising. That the author’s dire warnings of the consequences have wholly failed to manifest consigns the book to an outdated and factually inaccurate footnote in what was once a social issue.

It will come as no surprise to anyone who goggles at the inaccuracies and myths peddled in this book that Muehlenberg’s training is in theology, and not in science; let alone the social sciences. His understanding of what constitutes evidence for a position is consequently very weak, and the author is crying out for something other than the occasional cherry-picked quote from a gay person to make his argument. The fact that he quotes from “leading homosexual activists” is part of the inherent fallaciousness of the whole book. Muehlenberg is keen to treat homosexuality like a religion, with various spokespeople in charge and underlings who do as they’re told. If he started by treating gay people as individuals with different wants, needs, desires and views to every other person, gay or straight, he might be able to better engage with the facts. The overriding impression is that the author does not personally know a single gay person, and yet he writes as if he thinks of himself as an authority on the subject. It’s a bit like reading a book condemning the Russian people where you get the nagging suspicion that its author hasn’t ever even met a single Russian, and it’s another way in which Strained Relations is divorced from reality.

The sloppy writing style sees many sentences structured the same way, which makes reading the author tedious in the extreme after only a few pages. Literally hundreds of sentences start with the word “indeed”, and the book could have done with a decent proofreader before it was published.

Strained Relations will have very limited appeal, simply because the non-issue at the heart of it has moved on much further than the author realises, and his arguments are so out of date to have been refuted several decades ago. To anyone seeking a nuanced and well-researched book about the social implications of homosexuality, this tome will read like a propaganda piece pushing a particularly hard-line theocratic view. It’s likely to only reach an audience who already agree with the author’s dubious views and are similarly unwilling to engage in reality or polite, reasoned debate and respectful disagreement.

Wednesday, 2 November 2011

Bill Muehlenberg's Genocidal Campaign of Homophobia

Apparently a bible college, possibly of the type that brainwashes its unlucky students with Bronze Age juju, recently allowed a homosexual to give a talk there.

Yes, a homosexual gay man! Shock horror! Throw your hands up in outrage.

Bill's reaction is to pen an article entitled Can Hitler Speak Too? Yes, apparently allowing a well-adjusted gay man to talk to students in a college is the moral equivalent of the Third Reich, in Muehlenberg's twisted and diseased mind.

He clearly thinks that education should solely be about things that he approves of, and that schoolchildren should be shielded from unsightly things like gay people, Jews, atheists etc. and it's far better to pretend they don't exist.

Bill panics that:

this activist could get up to five full hours to indoctrinate the students.


What exactly is Bill worried about? That the students might have an opportunity to see through the brainwashing and think for themselves and see that gay people are just people too? Clearly Bill is terrified of the notion of bible students being allowed to think for themselves. What a terrible notion when a college

promotes and defends the opportunity for all people to engage in informed open debate


I hope you're appalled too?

Never one to let an opportunity for offensive ignorance slip by untaken, Muehlenberg then repeats his tired old canard where he attempts to lump homosexuals in with paedophiles and necrophiliacs. Nice.

In his usual generous-spiritedness, Bill Muehlenberg does acknowledge that there's one good reason to allow a filthy gay into a college, so that:

...the arguments of the pro-homosexual lobby can be explored, but hopefully only in order to refute them and affirm the biblical position. I can see no reason whatsoever to allow an activist in to push his deceptive and diabolical agenda.


A diabolical agenda of "please don't persecute me for who I am?" Truly shocking. What an infringement on Xtian rights.

Bill finds it odd that he sent two venemous emails to the principal of the college warning him of the dangers of the homos, and hasn't received a reply. Bill, it's because you're an utter bigoted cunt and most people don't wish to engage with and support your genocidal hate campaigns.

Genocidal? Is that a bit strong? Remember that Bill censors the comments he disagrees with; but on his article What Right to Abortion he's happy to allow contributor Barbara Murray Leach to suggest that homosexuals should be aborted in the womb.

Charming company you keep, Bill.

Thank goodness gay people don't try to spread intolerance, violence and hatred against the deluded. The venom is a one-way flow.