Commentator Daryl Snowden asks:
On the matter of re-orientation therapy, if we can accept that human beings generally can and do change their behaviours, habits, addictions, compulsions and obsessions, then why can’t we accept that some homosexuals, if not all, can change their preferences and convert to heterosexuality?Thus instantly falling into the fallacy of thinking that sexuality is just a 'habit'. What these people want to think, and what Muehlenberg truly believes, is that there simply isn't an excuse or a reason why anyone should be gay. Because they manage to persuade themselves of that they persuade themselves that their intolerance and hatred of gay people is acceptable.
Leigh D Stebbins is all Christian love and compassion:
...if it is immoral and unnatural then it is a Sin, nothing more and nothing less a Sin spelt with a Capital S and if Sin is abnormal behavior so is every deviant practice under Heaven yet the APA is saying or trying to say all deviant behaviors are normal. Give me a break.Charming company Muel keeps. And whilst some people continue to suggest that Bill Muehlenberg really just wants the best for gay people, the fact that he allows this comment to be posted from Chris Dark give lie to that:
It was inevitable that more filth would emerge from the drains. And what about people like me, who do not like gays and lesbians, or paedophiles, and have added their voice to protest-forums and petitions over the past years? I can’t help my behaviour either….I was born this way, so I demand tolerance and acceptance for my “orientation”.Except no, Chris. Being a cunt is a choice. Note how Dark lumps gays, lesbians and paedophiles together, as if they're all much of a muchness? Nobody likes those who abuse children, you know, like Catholic priests: but hating people simply because they are attracted to members of the same sex is inexcusable bigotry, as is suggesting they are morally equivalent to child rapists. At least Dark manages to be honest that he hates gay people, unlike Muehlenberg, who pretends he loves them so much he just wants them to be straight.
Never one for understatement, Muehlenberg calls an article, "Hurtling Towards Gomorrah" with all the melodrama of a drag queen on pride day.
In the article, Muehlenberg laments,
The sin of sodomy is still occurring of course, as are other blatant cases of immorality and rebellion against God.Unbelievable, isn't it? Despite Muehlenberg dedicating his whole entire life to writing abusive articles against gay people, there are still some people who are gay! It really is hard to credit, after all, as Muehlenberg explains,
this behaviour [homosexuality] is the epitome of sinful, fallen man’s propensity to gross evil and defiance of God.
Yes, there's nothing that upsets Bill's non-existent deity more than two men or two women loving one another, sharing a mortgage, nursing one another through sicknesses, sharing holidays and memories and expressing their love for one another in manifold ways. It's perfectly reasonable for Muehlenberg to describe this as "gross evil" and expect that nobody will call him a bigot and a fool.
This website obviously is full of examples of our racing toward Gomorrah. We seem to be on the same path to self-destruction as these cities were. And I have certainly not been the only one warning about this. Many other voices have issued clarion calls, although most seem to fall on deaf ears.It doesn't seem to occur to Muehlenberg that his shrill warnings that if gay people continue to exist that "god" will have to make an appearance to sort it all out are falling on "deaf ears" because most people think he's crazy and don't share his obsession with homosexuals and the awful things they get up to, like kissing, cuddling, baking cakes, holding down jobs and raising kids.
None of that is important, as far as Muehlenberg is concerned. What really matters is a story from a book of fables in which the person held up to be the good, moral one, Lot, offers up his daughters to be gang-banged by a group of men, rather than let them shag his guests, who are angels. The fact that there's zero evidence that these cities ever actually existed, and that the story views women as the property of men who can be given away to be raped with impunity, seems not to worry Muehleberg and his ilk. As he goes on:
“As in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah” awaiting the coming judgement of God. There appears no going back but rather an acceptance and legalizing of that which is an abomination to God.So Bill has decided that homosexuality is inexcusable, and therefore homosexuals should stop giving Bill sleepless nights and nervous breakdowns by doing the decent thing and ceasing to exist, otherwise, as Paul Wilson wonders,
Given that the world is ripe already for judgement I wonder how much further the world can continue to decline and rebel against a Holy and righteous God. Its one thing for mankind to participate in vile affections so that they might receive in “themselves” that recompence of their error, with God giving them over to a reprobate mind so that even while they have the knowledge of the judgement of God that their sin is worthy of death, they continue; but surely it is another even worse when we see a movement of mankind towards the destruction not only of their own selves but of “others” the innocent children.Erm, what?
Mark Rabich, the 40-something virgin, who has never been intimate with anybody and is more than likely to die untouched, asks:
What evidence is there that people are ‘born homosexual’ as you claim?The glorious hypocrisy of the religionist asking for evidence!!! You show them the evidence for the age of the earth, the size of the universe, for evolution and they turn a giant, cognitive-dissonance blinded eye. Yet when it comes to something that doesn't fit their worldview, they demand evidence. When it comes to their worldview, talking snakes, gods leaping down from the sky, women made from a rib, floods that cover the whole surface of the planet - all these things of course require NO EVIDENCE.
Surely your thinking needs significant scientific evidence to back it up?
Oh, the irony. Oh, the hypocrisy. As for the evidence, presumably you'll put it in the same box as the evidence for evolution and mark it "pretend this doesn't exist"?
After all, everybody has a mother and father, so the fundamental assumption of your thinking goes against the life experience of 100% of people on the planet, including yourself. Your own life testifies against you! How do you justify this disregard for straightforward facts about human sexuality? You are the one with the completely unscientific viewpoint, aren’t you?Um, what? Anyone convinced by this? I can't be bothered reading the rest of his nonsense. Rabich is crying out to get laid. If he manages that he'd give up his silly religion and never comment on Bill's site again.
Mike Marshall thinks he's being clever:
If 20 gays and 20 lesbians were the last people on earth, then they would change to save mankind from extinction. Yet here in Australia today, gays are told by the government that they cannot change to save THEMSELVES! Society doesn’t kill gays because as you’ve said before “San Francisco has the same suicide rates…”. Living the gay lifestyle kills them, as they’ve lived a lifestyle of rejecting themselves biologicly, amongst other things.Young gays will keep killing themselves because LGBT does not ever want to publicly admit that gays can change.Riiiiiight, so gay people kill themselves because other gay people aren't admitting that yet more gay people can allegdly switch sexualities, according to barking mad religionists. Makes perfect sense.
Dameon McManus has an even better knockdown argument:
I think this is OK: If a happily married man and woman are under threat of the marriage ending because one of them decides to come out, then the gay police will have to force them to retreat. After all they are heterosexual and cannot change their sexual orientation according to the gay science.Um, I think most people would assume the gay partner in the marriage had been gay all along and living a lie? It's unlikely that they had just switched sexuality because that doesn't happen - which is kind of the whole point?
Think about that…… Now try that argument against the homo militants and see how far it gets you.
CultureWatch is a glorious blog for exposing the stupidity, bigotry and ignorance of the extremist Christians like Muehlenberg.